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Mike Warren replied to Jeff Dwiggins's discussion 'The Organic Church Movement - Real Fruit or Simply Going Rogue?'
Here's an interesting interpretation of 1 Corinthians 14 that has played an important role in history in the spread of the Protestant church and in the growth of the maturity of its leaders:…
Mike Warren replied to Jeff Dwiggins's discussion 'The Organic Church Movement - Real Fruit or Simply Going Rogue?'
Rod, thanks for taking the time to read my essay.
Even if Jesus did not cover all those subjects at one sitting, the text does say that He sat down on the mount and gave a monologue. But I don't see a good reason to say that He didn't…
Mike Warren replied to Jeff Dwiggins's discussion 'The Organic Church Movement - Real Fruit or Simply Going Rogue?'
Russ, you sure like to talk, but you haven't listened. You don't even attempt to offer an alternative interpretation of the verses that I cited that teach that full-time elders should be paid a full-time salary. You bring out arguments…
Mike Warren replied to Jeff Dwiggins's discussion 'The Organic Church Movement - Real Fruit or Simply Going Rogue?'
Great! You finally made an attempt at a substantive reply. Unfortunately, your arguments are not sufficient to explain away the passages where Paul says that full-time ministers have a right to be paid a generous full-time salary.
"I coveted…
Mike Warren replied to Jeff Dwiggins's discussion 'The Organic Church Movement - Real Fruit or Simply Going Rogue?'
"I would bring into question that 1 Tim 5 clearly gives merit to "clergy and elders" being paid for what they do." Ok, Russ, show me the argument. Nothing in your long diatribe that follows contains such an argument.
Mike Warren replied to Jeff Dwiggins's discussion 'The Organic Church Movement - Real Fruit or Simply Going Rogue?'
Russ, did you really expect me to be persuaded by your "Holy Spirit alarm"? If your alarm does not conform to the Holy Spirit's book, the Bible, your alarm is either the world, the flesh or the devil. But at least you appealed to…
Mike Warren replied to Jeff Dwiggins's discussion 'The Organic Church Movement - Real Fruit or Simply Going Rogue?'
Darin, I appreciate your thoughtful response. I see many problems in the majority of churches in our age, and you express many of those shortcomings very well in your list of unhealthy preoccupations. It certainly would be a mistake to say that…
Mike Warren replied to Jeff Dwiggins's discussion 'The Organic Church Movement - Real Fruit or Simply Going Rogue?'
Jim, your pride in your "humility" is amazing. Every one of your posts has been an accusation that I am committing some sin in the depth of my psyche - "bias," "deeply-hammered stakes," "something driving it that…
Mike Warren replied to Jeff Dwiggins's discussion 'The Organic Church Movement - Real Fruit or Simply Going Rogue?'
Jim,
It looks like you're right that our engagement would be unfruitful. Unfortunately your anti-intellectual, anti-Biblical-text approach to Christianity is exactly the type of spiritual immaturity that I argued the organic church movement…
Mike Warren replied to Jeff Dwiggins's discussion 'The Organic Church Movement - Real Fruit or Simply Going Rogue?'
If you have some different arguments, I would be glad to hear them.
Mike Warren replied to Jeff Dwiggins's discussion 'The Organic Church Movement - Real Fruit or Simply Going Rogue?'
Thanks for reading and interacting with my paper, Jim.
No, it is not fair to say that "the Bible does not teach that there are "officers" in the church, but that the Bible teaches that there are elders/ overseers." In standard…
Mike Warren replied to Jeff Dwiggins's discussion 'The Organic Church Movement - Real Fruit or Simply Going Rogue?'
Here's my paper where I present arguments on those issues:
http://www.christianciv.com/Immature_Organic_Fruit.pdf
Mike Warren replied to Jeff Dwiggins's discussion 'The Organic Church Movement - Real Fruit or Simply Going Rogue?'
Viola is right that there is a problem when the people in salaried positions are doing all the work, and everyone else is content to show up on Sunday morning and listen to a sermon, and then go home. I agree with your statement that "Way too…
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Darrell Meeks replied to Darrell Meeks's discussion 'Tithe-Whipped'
I don't know of any books off the top of my head, but I know they're out there.
One place to start is the following link:
Tithing Article
I'll find some more resources to share with you as time allows.
DM
Michael Hartson replied to Darrell Meeks's discussion 'Tithe-Whipped'
Very interesting. If you know of some book or material that dives a little deeper into the subject, I would appreciate it. Send my a message if you know of anything.
Darrell Meeks replied to Darrell Meeks's discussion 'Back in music again.'
I just uploaded a song called "Be Still My Soul" on my page that I re-mastered, re-instrumented, added effects, and made a simple midi file sound fantastic.
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Darrell Meeks replied to Darrell Meeks's discussion 'Tithe-Whipped'
Michael,
I certainly understand what you're saying. Very few ministers ever speak the TRUTH about the tithe.
In OT times, the tithe was the inheritance of the Levites who were not allowed to make a living by any means as was common among the…
Marvin Lorenzana left a comment for Jossimar Diaz-Castro
Jossimar, bienvenido al blog de MHI, espero que aqui encuentres informacion relevante sobre como desarrollar discipulos, lideres e iglesias utilizando una proceso estrategico simple/organico. Bendiciones!
Michael Hartson replied to Darrell Meeks's discussion 'Tithe-Whipped'
I have seen a lot of sermons on the tithing, or giving; some of them very strange. I remember some time a go when my adult daughter was a teen, and going through a very difficult time, was being hauled off in a police car. We called the pastor…
Michael Hartson replied to Joshua Westcott's discussion 'Challenges of the Small Town'
yes, Quite true. "Doing Church" in house with out the Organic content, is just switching buildings. We as people tend to compartmentalize areas of our life. Church in this part, school in this part, marriage in this part,…
Jossimar Diaz-Castro liked Marvin Lorenzana's blog post '¿Como hace discipulos tu iglesia?'
Darrell Meeks replied to Darrell Meeks's discussion 'Tithe-Whipped'
Amen to that.
It's also of interes that those who had, for example, only nine lambs or calves born in a year, they were not required to hand over anything.
One thing I will say is that I thoroughly appreciate the OT system of…
Catherine Seebald replied to Joshua Westcott's discussion 'Challenges of the Small Town'
You're so right, Darrell! Many of the house churches I'm familiar with are not organic expressions of church but are really just institutional church in miniature. As Frank Viola says, organic church (OC) is one of the most…
Michael Hartson commented on Jim London's blog post 'What do we do when there is no group to join?'
When I think about the most significant points in my Christian walk, they did not take place in an organized, institutionalized environment. It was incidental to my world, but wholly intentional by God.
Michael Hartson replied to Michael Hartson's discussion 'Why Can't Christian's Hang Out?'
Sure, it's intentional. God is responsible for the Results, we are responsible for the action. God asks us to share our lives, talk to others about him, love others. Who gets saved, or what a person does or does not do or what…
Jim London replied to Michael Hartson's discussion 'Why Can't Christian's Hang Out?'
Michael, you are sharing and asking about something that is very crucial. Often the pattern is "We don't want to be that programmed meeting all designed and led by the fellow hired to make it all run smoothly. We want to be more…
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